"Christianity: The belief in a
cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father and who can make
you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink
his blood while telepathically telling him that you
accept him as your master so he can remove from your soul an
evil force that is present in all humanity because a woman
made out of one rib bone and a mound of dirt was tricked into
eating from a magical tree by a talking snake." -
Anonymous
When one person believes in something they
can't see, they're delusional. When a group of people do
it, they're Christian (or Jewish or Muslim or take your
pick).
Let's take a closer look, shall we?
How to Spot a Christian
Zealot I know it can be
confusing at times, but there are telltale signs to let you
know you're in the presence of a first-class wacko batshit
crazy Christian zealot. To wit, I submit for your
disgust and disapproval, Glenn
Moon.
This ray of sunshine and citadel of
enlightenment and piety is running for City Council in
Livonia, Michigan. Check out his answers to a League of
Women Voters
questionnaire. (Scroll down to page 9 to behold
his delusion.) The man is obviously deeply disturbed and
unworthy of public trust, but isn't he just so
adorable?
I'm going on record here and calling it
first. This lunatic goes postal sometime within the next
two to three years. I'm seeing a murder/suicide
rampage over a littering incident in Livonia.
But until then, Mr. Moon may be reached here for feedback.
Let us
pray. Heavenly father almighty god, in name your
son Jesus Christ lord, saviour, messiah, please show
this jackass how to use words like and, for, of and the.
By the way, Moon finished dead
last. The wacko received 301 votes (out of
6432) proving that 4.5% of Livonia is batshit crazy.
(Sorry, Michigan.)
Why I
Think Less of Theists Ouch! That title seems
awfully harsh, doesn't it? Not really.
About 93% of
the nearly 6.7 billion people walking this planet believe in a
supreme being in one form or another, and I would never even
imply that all these people are completely evil or
stupid.
I know that there are countless Christians
around this spinning orb who are much smarter than I when it
comes to nuclear physics, inorganic chemistry, international
diplomacy, tax accounting for multi-national conglomerates,
medieval linguistics, impressionist art of the 1940's,
automotive repair and porn video production, just to name a
few.
But yes, I do think less of them on some level
and do question their relative intelligence when it comes to
distinguishing between fantasy and reality. God is
imaginary and they think he's real. Sorry, but you
can be brilliant when it comes to one thing and deluded
when it comes to another.
As far as I’m
concerned, for as brilliant a scientist as he may be, Francis Collins is a moron if he believes in
talking snakes, the parting of seas, and the resurrection of a
savior god. Having a PhD from Yale and an MD
from Chapel Hill doesn’t impress me if you can’t
distinguish between fantasy and reality. He
wrote:
"On a beautiful fall
day, as I was hiking in the Cascade Mountains the majesty and
beauty of God's creation overwhelmed my resistance. As I
rounded a corner and saw a beautiful and unexpected frozen
waterfall, hundreds of feet high, I knew the search was
over. The next morning, I knelt in the dewy grass as the
sun rose and surrendered to Jesus
Christ."
The good Dr. Collins is deeply
delusional. Sorry.
I'm
Rubber, You're Glue I am no more or less
moral than anyone else, including your average
Christian. Like them I am a fallible human. I am
just as flawed and capable of wrongdoing. But the
whopper of a difference is found in the fact that I
never lecture anyone (as it pertains to morality) about
what to do, how to behave, or what will happen to them if they
don't.
Christians constantly tell me that I live a life
of sin and that I will go to hell unless I accept Jesus and
repent. To them I'm profoundly flawed and on some level
stupid for not seeing this obvious truth.
There is no
equivocation here, people. They remind me
constantly. Per the words of THEIR GOD, I'm a
fool:
"The fool hath said in his heart,
There is no God." Psalms
14:1
Check your
bible, kids. It's right there in black and white.
Remember, god can't lie. If their god says it, then they
believe it. Their god says I'm a fool, then to
them I'm a fool. End of story.
Given all
this...
one
obvious and irrefutable fact remains: Christians think less of me.
one equitable question must be
answered: So why can't I think less of
them?
If someone
walked up to you and called you a fool, an idiot, a gullible
moron or any other demeaning name, you'd have a defensive right to respond. I
hate to reduce this to a childish "Mom, he started
it..." argument, but let's be honest here. We
all know who the proselytizing,
name-calling antagonists are. (Feel free
to check out my hate mail.)
Christian
doctrine makes it clear that I'm destined to burn on The
Eternal Lake of Fire. Even if it were true, I can't
think of anything more fitting for the most evil among
us. In a world filled with murderers, rapists, child
molesters, drug dealers and the like, I certainly don't fit
into that category yet I'm doomed to the same fate.
By decree of their faith and the word of their
god, Christians must assume and agree with my personal
damnation because I reject and scoff at all that they see as
holy. But mostly, they must agree with my personal
damnation because their god has labeled me a fool and
deserving of eternal hellfire. If someone's being unfair in their assessment of
the other it certainly isn't me.
So, why do I
think less of theists? While I believe in the great
freedoms we enjoy here in the United States -- one of which is
the freedom to follow the religion of your choice and to
promote it with abandon (this a paramount) -- I have no
respect for beliefs that I deem to be patently silly, such as
the existence of Santa Claus, or the belief that Elvis is
still alive, or that the Apollo lunar landing in 1969 was
staged, or that the Judeo-Christian god exists. And I
promote my opinions with abandon. That too is my
paramount freedom. You might ask why I have such beliefs
or lack thereof. That's a fair question that deserves an
honest answer.
Well, I
could give my simple tit-for-tat response that would stand on
its own. But even more to the point, despite what they
may say, theists do not respect atheistic
beliefs. Atheism, by its very definition, negates
the deeply held sacred beliefs of theists. I'll question
the genuineness of any theist who claims to respect the
beliefs of a person who truly believes that the existence of
their god (or gods) is a joke, that it's a man-made bullshit
story created to control the behavior of those who believe
it.
Sugar-coat
and euphemize the term to your hearts desire, but atheism
undermines the intelligence of those who believe in any god
and labels them (on some level) as weak, gullible, and
delusional. And that will never command true respect from those who
are labeled as such.
This is
evident and easily proved. Read on.
Respect
THIS! Since when are people entitled to
absolute respect for their beliefs just because they're
entitled to have them? I refuse to bite my lip in a
display of mock civility just because I'm expected to embrace,
tolerate, or respect the beliefs of others.
Tolerance
and respect must be earned, and they are not
necessarily warranted. If I think a religious ideology
or belief is moronic then I will respond accordingly as I
would with any other ideology or belief.
And I don't
believe that context or numbers validate one's beliefs
either. Take your pick: Christianity/Judaism,
racism/equality, buy low/sell high. These
ideologies are not entitled to respect or tolerance by
default just because someone has the right (which we all do)
to practice them. Should we respect racism or
anti-Semitism just because a racist has the right to embrace
and promote them? Um, no. It's gotta work
both ways people. Just a little consistency.
That's all I ask for.
How silly would
any sane adult feel believing in the Easter Bunny, Santa
Claus, or the Tooth Fairy? They would likely never share
it with another human being for fear of looking like a
first-class whacko and becoming an outcast. Would you
trust an adult who believed in the Easter Bunny? Would
you put them in charge of your finances or let them watch your
children when you were away? Would you even associate
with them? Would you say, "Okay, I don't agree with
their beliefs, but I respect their right to believe what they
believe and I'll treat them like anyone else." If you
answered yes, then you're either being disingenuous, or you're
in complete denial. Your feet couldn't carry you away
from a nutcase like that fast enough. You would consider
them intellectually inferior and think less of them because of
their insane beliefs.
If I were to tell you that
I believed in the Easter Bunny (for real, not a joke), look me
in the eye and tell me that you would respect my beliefs and
that you would treat me as you would any other rational
person. Tell me that you wouldn't think me a delusional
lunatic. Tell me that you would trust me with things of
importance. Tell me that you would trust me with your
home, your finances or your children. Tell me that you
would let me teach your children. Tell me that you would
put me in front of an important sales prospect. Tell me
that you would let me hold public office. Tell me that
you wouldn't think of me as foolish and unintelligent.
Tell me that you would try to see things my way. Tell me
that you would embrace my beliefs as just another
ideology. Tell me that you would consider my viewpoint
before calling me crazy.
Now, how silly would you
feel believing in the Easter Bunny if everyone else did?
I doubt you would feel silly at all. Why? Because
there's safety in numbers. The majority provides a warm
safe place for people to believe in [whatever] without fear of
ridicule or being labeled as silly, insane, delusional,
etc. We'll talk more about this phenomenon
later.
If you're a theist and
honest enough to admit to yourself that you see the nutcase
(below) as deluded and intellectually inferior (as it pertains
to theistic beliefs), then you'll understand why I see you in
the exact same light.
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe
in Mother Goose." - Clarence
Darrow
You See 'Em Just Like
Me If my (admitted silly) Easter Bunny
example is too unrealistic for you, then let's come back to
reality and deal with individuals who actually walk this
planet. I could reach into my giant bag of social
misfits and deviants and pull out any number of human beings
whose ideologies will nicely replace those of the
aforementioned bunny believers.
Anyone remember the Heaven's Gate cult? For those
of you who aren't familiar with these bat-shit crazy lunatics
down in San Diego, they mindlessly followed the cult teachings
and directives of a demented little fellow named "Doe"
(Marshall Applewhite) who convinced them that there was a
alien space vehicle flying behind the Hale-Bopp
comet.
These intellectual sticks of dynamite not only
engaged in self-castration [crickets chirping], but they
actually believed that committing suicide would allow them to
hitch a free ride to Nirvana on the alien spaceship. On
the morning of March 26, 1997, these ass-hats donned
their matching Nike uniforms, had a little strychnine
cocktail, and hopped on-board the Lunatic Express to
Nowhere. Beam me up,
Scotty!
Enjoy the aftermath video
below.
Now dig down
deep and admit, at least to yourself, that you see them as do
I. You don't just question
their sanity and intellect, but you actually reject and refute it. And you're a
very bad liar if you claim otherwise. You and I both
judge them on their (in)ability to distinguish between fantasy
and reality. Maybe it's okay that we do, and maybe it
isn't. Regardless, in this manner we're not that
different.
Ain't intellectual honesty
a bitch?
How about card-carrying,
cross-burning racists who believe that Jews, blacks,
homosexuals [insert any group which has been targeted by hate
mongers throughout history] are evil and should be put to
death, or banished, or shunned, or whatever? I'm sure
you'll agree that there are such racists in this world, lest
you be one of those weirdoes who believe that the Holocaust
never happened.
I intentionally chose
the admittedly silly Easter Bunny as an example because it's
simplistic and neutral. It wasn't meant to be taken
literally, although there are people in this world who are
delusional and believe in such craziness, so even if taken
literally the Easter Bunny logic stands up to scrutiny.
However, let's euthanize the little bastard and swap him for
another fringe ideology. I think any reasonable person
would agree that the Heaven's Gate cult members were benign,
non-violent (to others), soft-spoken people. They were
well educated, worked for a living (a software company, I
believe) and paid their taxes. They were also a few
cards shy of a deck.
If you are inclined to
argue that proportion matters (i.e. how can so many people be
wrong?), let me inform you that the truth is not determined by
a majority vote. If it was, the earth might still be
flat, right? Twenty believers don't make an ideology
irrational, and 20 million believers don't make one rational,
reasonable, or true. Did six million Jews (plus millions
of non-Jews) die because of the beliefs of a few deranged
people? No! And it doesn't even matter whether the
ideology is benign or not. Fringe is fringe.
Lunatics come in different flavors, but they're still
lunatics. Besides, what's benign to one person is
malignant to another; such is the case with the issue of
abortion.
So let's try this
again...
If I were to tell you that
I was a member of Heaven's Gate, for real, not a joke, look me
in the eye and tell me that you would respect my beliefs and
that you would treat me as you would any other rational
person. Let me tell you about the aliens, and the
shuttle, and the comet, and then tell me that you wouldn't
label me a delusional lunatic. Go ahead and
tell me that you would
trust me with things of importance. Tell me that you
would trust me with your home, your finances or your
children. Tell me that you would let me teach your
children. Tell me that you would put me in front of an
important sales prospect. Tell me that you would let me
hold public office. Tell me that you wouldn't think of
me as foolish and unintelligent. Tell me that you would
try to see things my way. Tell me that you would embrace
my beliefs as just another ideology. Tell me that you
would consider my viewpoint before calling me
crazy.
Now read it again, but
substitute "KKK" for "Heavens Gate". Tell me, would you
try to see things my way? Would you respect my
ideology? How civil and respectful would you be if a
member of the KKK approached your children and started
teaching the importance of racial cleansing? Would you
try to see things his way? Would you respect his
ideology?
Understand that I'm not
trying to equate Christians as a whole with Nazis and
Klansmen. Christians are certainly not intrinsically
evil people, and the latter two examples are patently
offensive extremes. However, my assertion is about
conceptual ideology, not subjective proportion.
The Bottom
Line An ideology does not deserve respect (and certainly not
acceptance) just because one has the unalienable right to
believe in and embrace it. Sorry, but it has to work the
same way for all ideologies -- lest
you be arrogant enough to paint the lines for all of
humanity. Wait. I forgot. Christians do
paint those lines, don't they? They seem to feel
entitled to set double-standards and preach within the
bounds of a duality that insulates any argument from
refutation.
Of course, one
can't really feel silly not
believing in an all-powerful god who refuses to show his face
even when asked nicely. So feel free to not to reverse
my logic in your favor. I can deal with that. Can
you?
C H R I
S T I A N L U N A T I C F R I N
G E HALL OF SHAME
Marguerite
Perrin is a first-class batshit crazy
evangelical Christian zealot wackjob (and
self-proclaimed "God Warrior") who was featured on the
FOX network reality show Trading
Spouses. She appeared in the two-part
premiere of the second season (in 2005) as well as
another two-part episode in season
three.
A homemade talking
bobblehead doll of Perrin [shown right] was made by a
fan and sold on eBay for $870. Jay Leno purchased
the doll and surprised her with it as a gift when she
appeared on The Tonight Show.
Google her
name (or search for her name on YouTube)
and you'll find several references to her stint on
Trading Spouses, plus a few subsequent late-night
talkshow
appearances.
Damn You: What
Christian Doctrine Makes
Clear You can call yourself a vegan, but if you
consume any animal product then you're not a true vegan.
It's thoroughly black and white. There is no gray.
You can insist that you are, jump up and down, yell and
scream, hold your breath, wave a flag or whatever, but by
definition you're not a vegan.
In the same way, you can
call yourself a "Christian," but it doesn't mean you truly are
one. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less what label you
use to describe your religious affiliation, but you're not a
Christian just because you declare yourself one. Again,
don't take my word for it. Ask the experts yourself.
Don't get me wrong.
I think that everyone at CARM is delusional, but at least they
know what a true Christian is. I thank them sincerely
for answering all of my questions so thoroughly and
concisely. If you don't agree with what they say then
take it up with them -- not me. I'm just telling
you what they told me and I'm
inclined to go along with their summation as the official
stance by an authority.
I asked one of CARM's
contributors (via email) to explain what happens to a person
who does not accept Jesus before they die. He replied:
[take note of what I emphasized in red]
Jesus was narrow-minded when it
came to explaining what is salvation and how do you get
it. Jesus said:
"I
am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me." - John
14:6
There is only one way to be
saved.
The Bible says this, "If you
confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in
your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you
will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation." - Romans 10:9-10
You must believe in Jesus and
confess Him to be saved.
"So they said, "Believe on the
Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your
household." - Acts 16:31
There are some who will look and
sound like Christians, but they are not
Christians. If fact, Jesus said this
Himself:
"Not everyone who says to Me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he
who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many
will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name,
and done many wonders in Your name? And then I
will declare to them, 'I never KNEW you; depart from Me,
you who practice lawlessness!'" - Matthew
7:21-23
You must believe in Jesus,
confess Him and have a personal relationship with Jesus
so that you KNOW Jesus in a personal way, or you will
not be saved.
Jesus is the messiah and He will
save His people from their sins. What about those people who did nice
things but they never believed or trusted in Jesus?
These people will go to hell to pray for their
sins.
Again, remember the parts highlighted in
red and keep reading. (It's
about to get better.)
Inane Loopholes: What? Me?
Unfair? No one who wants their intellect and sense
of fairness to be respected could possibly embrace a religion
that damns a soul for eternity just because they were
incapacitated in some manner and therefore incapable of
confessing their sins and saving themselves. That would
be such an unreasonably unfair and cruel punishment,
right?
So when I asked the same
person (in a subsequent email) about the fate of profoundly
retarded people and infants who die before, during, or after
birth:
Jesus takes to heaven infants,
disabled, and the mentally retarded. (John
1:13) Salvation is not a
decision by human choice (otherwise heaven would be a
lonely
place).
Infants? Wow!
And the disabled, too! Such a nice, tidy loophole.
Can you see the whopping intellectually dishonest hole in
this patently silly narrow-minded declaration?
I mean, come on. A
person who didn't have a fair or reasonable opportunity to be
saved (because they couldn't comprehend it or weren't exposed
to it) is spared eternal punishment. However, my dear
sweet grandmother who was born and raised as an Orthodox Jew
in Poland, who lived such a good, honest, truthful, loving,
hard-working life, is now burning in hell for eternity because
she was never exposed to Christianity and therefore never
accepted Christ?
But someone, who by virtue of a birth
defect (who may, in fact, have committed murder) was
automatically taken to heaven without his willful
salvation? Man, is that a Get Out Of Jail Free card, or
what? Tell me, if my grandmother was never exposed to
Christianity how could she possibly comprehend it just like
the infant who escaped damnation because of the same
ignorance? This is a fair and reasonable dichotomy that
must be reconciled.
Now recall the points above that I
emphasized in red.
This guy stated, for the
record, that we must willfully CONFESS HIM to be saved and that
this was THE ONLY ONE
WAY.
But then, when put to a
test of common sense intellect-saving (i.e. the fate of
children and mentally impaired adults) he opted to defend
his intellect by declaring that salvation IS NOT A
DECISION BY HUMAN CHOICE.
Huh? Well clearly
then, confessing him is NOT
the only one way.
And if that's the case,
then confessing will not necessarily get you to heaven.
So why even bother confessing at all?
But know that this is
nothing more than an intellect-saving loophole that allows the
people who profess such bunk to delude themselves. This
delusion allows them to believe that the rules they embrace
aren't completely unfair or unfathomable by the will
of a benevolent god. But aside from its inherent and
patent unfairness, the delusion also allows them to
rationalize their contradiction.
So what's really going on
here? It seems that the farce has to be iron clad so
that weak-willed, gullible, cowardly people can be scared into
believing and acting on that fear. But there also has to
be just a little bit of wiggle room so that the mindless
sheep who promote such bunk can preserve their intellect
and not seem so unfair and unreasonable -- at least to
themselves if not everyone else. Looks to me like
someone wants to have his cake and eat it too.
If he ever did exist, the
god Christians honor would be disgusted by
the intellectual dishonesty of his followers. Shame
on them all.
But for the sake of the
argument, I'll go on. You bought the silly story and
played by their silly rules. Now you're saved and you
get to live forever. But would you really want
to?
"My god has a bigger dick than your
god." - George Carlin
Eternal Life: Give Me a
Break The belief that we persist after death in
one form or another is most assuredly a survival
mechanism. After all, that's exactly what our nature
tells us to do: survive. I think most people
(irrespective of their religious beliefs) would agree on
this point.
Our species is wired
by nature to strive and endure whether the instinct is
"god-given" or inherently part of our evolved nature.
This is why we avoid and evade danger when we encounter or
expect it, and when there's no way or time to flee we fight to
defend ourselves from destruction.
But what about the certain
demise by those things we can't always fight or flee from
(like disease), or our eventual death by the unstoppable
natural course of time? People naturally fear death --
even a peaceful one. We don't want to die but eventually
we all will -- yet our nature (again, god-given or inherent)
compels us to survive.
So how do we cope with
death and the finality of life? We serve
ourselves a cocktail mixed with the fear of never seeing
our loved ones again, detachment from reality and all common
sense, and a wild imagination. Some people need a little
more kick to preserve the fantasy, so we add a
splash of profound fear of the wrath of an angry sky god who's
much like Santa in a weird sort of way.
Sing along with me
people...
"He's
makin' a list, he's checkin' it twice, he's gonna find out
who's naughty or nice, angry god will send you to
hell."
If you think about it,
isn't the notion of eternal life patently silly? In
fact, I think it's downright cruel. Live forever?
Who would really want to? If there ever was a literal
hell (and I'm positive there isn't), it would be the
punishment of having to live forever even in a blissful place
like heaven.
I mean, really think about
it for a moment. Try to comprehend "forever." It's
virtually incomprehensible. But to the extent that you
can get your arms around the concept, imagine living
forever. Is that supposed to be some kind of
reward? "Being" forever sounds more like the worst
punishment imaginable. Any thinking person would agree
that life is most certainly long enough.
But here's the
catch. Christians won't allow this kind of simple,
reasonable logic to rain on their parade. They'll argue
that it doesn't matter whether you like it or not.
You're doomed to "be" forever one way or another. Either
accept their god, live by his rules here on earth and then
forever live in the bliss of heaven -- or burn for
eternity in the torment of hell.
It's your choice...if you
can call that a choice. So make the only safe move and
do what they tell you to do or you're screwed...forever.
You were brought into this world by no choice of your own and
now you're being forced to play a game that you didn't ask to
play. And it's the only game in town. It's the cruelest of games
with the harshest of penalties...
INFINITE PUNISHMENT FOR FINITE SIN!
The Christian god is so
truly fair and compassionate, isn't he?
If it's not crystal clear
that the whole thing's a farce, then perhaps you're better off
being kept in the dark anyway. Knowing the ultimate
finality of life is too much of a burden for some people to
bear.
KOSHKA
BLACKBURN Monument of Infinite
Stupidity
Long story
short. Koshka Blackburn (a contestant on NBC's Deal or No
Deal) took her game all the way down to two
cases: $1,000,000 and $5,000. She was then offered
a staggering $530,000 to leave the game. In case
you're not familiar with how the game works, she could
either take a guaranteed $530,000 and walk away
with zero risk...or roll the dice on a 50/50 chance to
win one million dollars. But if she didn't win the
million all she would get is a paltry $5,000. And
after the applicable income tax was paid she'd be lucky
to net $3,000. To anyone with half a brain the
ONLY smart move would be to take the money and
run.
However, loosely and incorrectly quoting
Ezekiel
12:25, this moron
said...
"...but I wrote a
check for myself for a million dollars, and I believe
it's here [tapping her case]...I don't know, I don't
know what to do, I just don't know...I know it's here, I
know it's here! Howie, the contestants never go
all the way, and I'm crazy. I'm too
crazy. But I believe that if
you speak it, it shall be done. So I'm
gonna say, NO DEAL!"
If you speak it,
it shall be done? Yikes! Aside from the
fact that only god could allegedly pull
off that stunt, don't you think that's an awfully big
leap of faith for such an enormous risk? Well,
poor, misguided Koshka spoke it alright, but her
plan backfired. Click here
to watch this wacko throw away OVER A HALF MILLION
DOLLARS for a religious
delusion.
And the really sad and disturbing part
is, this moron probably rationalized her colossal
blunder as part of god's plan for her. She'd do it
again if given the
chance.
True Doctrine Revealed Forget
all that crap they taught you in Sunday School. It was
all a pack of lies. Click here to read the
original draft of Genesis.
Vishnu Were
Here If you really want to behold a
spectacle of religious delusion, crankiness, whining, goading,
baiting, sophomoric name-calling, and all-around
cyber-bullying (in which I shamefully partake to promote
the site when the mood strikes me), hop on over
to the Yahoo Answers Religion &
Spirituality forum. I set up a profile (TheGodless
Bastard as if you couldn't have guessed) and posted
a few questions to stoke a few fires, and I smeared my feces
on so many answers that I've lost count.
The Fundamentalist
Christian mind functions at a very primitive level so it's
easy (and fun!) to get frothy Fundies to
self-incriminate. (Self-incrimination occurs
when Christians use atheistic arguments to negate or
diminish the beliefs of rival religions.) The easiest
way to do this is to set them up to admit that other major
world religions (we're talking BILLIONS of adherents here)
have unchanging, unwavering, false beliefs. And as we
all know, fixed false beliefs are by definition founded in
delusion. (That's what the word means. Look it up
folks.) And so I
decided to target the polytheistic beliefs of
Hindus.
Nothing personal to the
fine people of the Hindu faith. Everybody loves
them. If you can get past the stink of curry, they're
kind, courteous, soft-spoken, benign people. And they're
more than happy to answer your tech support questions while
Muslims prefer to decapitate infidels, subjugate
women, and fly planes into buildings. But be that
as it may, Hindu beliefs are still whacked-out bronze-age
mythology -- and Christians know it.
FACT: Christians can sugar-coat and
obfuscate to their heart's content, but they believe that
Hindu beliefs are completely false in every sense and are
therefore founded in delusion. They don't like
using strong negative words for the slippery slope
it presents, but that's what they think. And remember,
delusional does NOT mean psychotic or schizophrenic or
anything else that implies insanity or even general
stupidity. All it means in everyday language is a fixed
belief that is false, fanciful, or derived from
deception.
One last time. Per
the Christian worldview, Hinduism is a fixed belief that is
false AND fanciful AND derived from deception (per
indoctrination and teachings). And it doesn't matter
whether you're a non-believer or a believer of another
religion. This is undeniable.
I posted my question with
a prediction: Christians would either ignore the question so
as not to self-incriminate, or they would obfuscate with name
calling, personal attacks, or trying to change the topic
or the question itself.
Here's my
posting:
I find it interesting that you can't post a "For
Christians" question (from an atheist) without 100 Christians
frantically clicking the reply button -- until you ask a
question that might have those same people labeling others who
believe in different gods as delusional. It's sort of
like expecting the rapist murderer to refer to the car
thief as a criminal. It's too
self-incriminating. People who believe in god just might
be delusional? Ooooh. They don't want to go
there.
So we're gonna try this again because we can't
find one intellectually honest Christian who can answer a
simple yes or no question with a yes or
no.
First, we all know what delusional means.
It's "a fixed false belief" and not inherently mean or
insulting. Ever watch an American Idol audition
episode? You and I both sit on our couches labeling so
many of these people as delusional. They can't sing a
lick yet rip into the judges for not seeing their apparent
talent. Don't harp on the word as an excuse to
obfuscate. You know what it means and it's a fair word
to use. If it bothers you so much then choose
another. Fine. But under your breath you're
muttering, "Man, these people are fucking delusional."
And we both know
it.
Hinduism is the world's third largest religion,
right behind Christianity and Islam. There are
approximately ONE BILLION practicing Hindus on this
planet. This represents nearly ONE SIXTH of
humanity. And we're not talking about disenfranchised
Hindus, people who were born into the religion but
don't really believe it. These are actual self-declared
practicing
Hindus.
Hinduism is a polytheistic religion having many
gods (330 million, yes, it's true). According to Hindu
doctrine, Brahma created the world. If you look at the
world population, nearly one out of every six people believes
this to be true. And they all reject the notion that
Jesus was the son of (any)
god.
Okay, I'm gonna help you guys out with a warm-up
question:
Some guy named Lenny is sitting on a park bench,
eyes closed, softly talking to his god. He tells you
that he does not believe that Jesus was the son of god.
He says that his god, the one TRUE god, is an invisible pink
unicorn named Wicki-Wicki, and that it was HE who created the
world. Lenny tells you that his bible claims this to be
an undeniable, irrefutable, patently obvious fact. Is Lenny delusional? No obfuscating
please. Yes or
no?
Christians know the answer is
yes.
Now the one that
counts:
Some guy named Raj is sitting on a park bench,
eyes closed, softly talking to his god. He tells you
that he does not believe that Jesus was the son of god.
He says that his god, the one TRUE god, is a deity named
Brahma, and that it was HE who created the world. Raj
tells you that his bible claims this to be an undeniable,
irrefutable, patently obvious fact. Is Raj delusional? No obfuscating
please. Yes or
no?
Christians know the answer
is yes...but they can't bring themselves to admit it to an
atheist.
Next we'll ask the same question of Muslims and
Mormons and all other world religions. And when we're
done we will have demonstrated (per the
Christian worldview) that it is possible for
BILLIONS of people to be thoroughly delusional about
their chosen religious beliefs -- quite possibly leaving
the minority to be right. Imagine
that.
Remember, there are only 2.1 billion
Christians in this world. The vast majority of
people on this planet (the other 4.6 billion) believe in
something other than Jesus. That's right. The VAST
majority of the world population does NOT
believe that Jesus was the son of god. (Remember that
the next time some Christian tries to play the numbers
game.)
So back to my
question...
Well, I made a
prediction and it proved itself true. Given the
overwhelming general response to any question labeled "For
Christians" (try it sometime as see for yourself), it came as
no surprise that this question was largely ignored. And
all of the responses consisted of personal attacks,
name-calling, and obfuscations to change the topic. Not
one single responder answered with a yes or a no -- not
even to the first question about the clearly delusional fellow
named Lenny.
I see no need to list all
of the responses, but these two (below) typify your
average Christian reply to a simple yes or no question
where one response makes them look dishonest and the other
makes them sound like atheists.
Let them lie to themselves
if it will help them sleep well at night, but we all know why
they conveniently remained silent on the subject.
(Sssshhh. We
really don't want to go there.)
One final comment and then
I'll shut up.
Some might
argue that Raj is not delusional because he made a
"reasonable" choice to believe, to which I respectfully
disagree.
First, who gets to decide
what "reasonable" is? Who gets to paint the lines?
Christians? Jews? Hindus? Look, anyone who
believes in any god wants to paint that line but only because
of the self-incriminating slippery slope they have to navigate
when calling someone else's god-belief false. But here's
the thing, and there's no getting around it. Whether you
believe in any god or not, if you think someone's god is
false then it's NOT a "reasonable" choice for anyone per
your worldview. And if you're inclined to argue that it's
a reasonable choice per their worldview, consider
this...
Any intellectually honest
person (theist or atheist) knows that
the Heaven's Gate cult wackos were delusional in
their belief that suicide would transport them to an
alien spaceship. No sane person would consider
their belief reasonable under any circumstance or
worldview. They were just plain nuts. So then who
gets to decide that Raj's choice to believe that
Brahma created the world isn't just plain
nuts?
The answer is surprisingly
simple: I get to paint the
lines. They're all unreasonable
choices.
It's so not easy being
me.
God
Squatter This delusional woman lived
in an abandoned building for four years because god told her
to.
"Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place
so inane, so dull, so useless, so miserable, that nobody has
ever ventured to describe a whole day in heaven, though plenty
of people have described a day at the seaside." -
George Bernard Shaw
Forum
Fundyism The following cranky post was
spied on wacko Fundy zealot VenomFangX's discussion board:
I am a Christian and saw some
contradictions between atheist philosophy and atheist
behavior. I was talking about religion with an
atheist friend, and he commented that he wished
religious people could see the beauty of this
life. This life is so beautiful, he remarked, that
we don't need to seek after Heaven. At the same
time, atheists also say things like, There's so much
suffering in the world, that there couldn't possibly be
a God. So which is
it? [Editor's
Emphasis]Is this life
beautiful or is it full of suffering? One would
think that atheists would be more caring. What
with their gloriously open minds and their far superior
intelligence, I would think that they would be the first
to sell everything they own, buy a van and a mattress,
live in the van the rest of their life, and donate all
their profits to starving children. Afterall,
atheists have concluded that there is so much death in
this one and only life - and they obviously don't
have a bias - so why don't we see all of them
giving as selflessly as possible?
Let me
put this in perspective. Twenty-five thousand
CHILDREN die each day. (Go to The Hunger Site and
click daily for an easy way to give (no money
needed).) Is it about this life, atheists?
Or is it that you want to experience every level of
pleasure without anyone to tell you otherwise? I
think it's the latter. To outside observers, it
looks as if your views are selfish and
hypocritical.
Are you
going to just say that there's nothing you can do about
it - ignoring the obvious; that your wealth is very
sufficient to feed many, many children? How much
more if more than one contributes?
I guess
in writing this post, I'm more curious to see what
excuse people will make. My guess is you're not
going to change anything in your actions after reading
this. Just know that when you say, "I'm open
minded" your actions speak louder than your
words.
Peace and
God Bless!
P.S.
Don't think I have a bias toward
atheists. This applies to all Christians (probably
especially to Christians) as well. I just noticed
something hypocritical in the atheist view the other day
and I was hoping for some excuses [strikethrough] clarification.
But I will write one on Christians
soon.
To
Captain Contradiction:
Your question makes no logical
sense. So which is
it? It's both. Life is beautiful AND
it is full of suffering. Anyone can see that. The
two statements are not mutually exclusive. There can be
an upside and a downside to anything. In fact, it's rare
that there isn't.
One can
see beauty in the world and not seek anything beyond it (e.g.
Heaven, Valhalla, Elysium, Miami) and also point to all that
is awful within it without ANY dichotomy between
philosophy and behavior. You can love that brand new
pimped-out SUV -- from its leather seats to its three screen
DVD system -- and still be pissed off that
the eight cylinder gas-guzzling monster under the hood is
breaking your wallet for the miserable 12 miles per gallon
that it serves you daily. You can pay for and love the
car and also hate the cost of ownership.
Listen up, Lenny. That doesn't make you a
hypocrite. It might make you a whiner who made a
dumb-ass auto purchase, but it doesn't make you a
hypocrite.
You
wrote, "Let me put this in perspective.
Twenty-five thousand CHILDREN die each day. (Go to The
Hunger Site and click daily for an easy way to give (no money
needed).) Is it about this life, atheists? Or is it that you
want to experience every level of pleasure without anyone to
tell you otherwise? I think it's the latter. To outside
observers, it looks as if your views are selfish and
hypocritical."
WTF? That makes no sense
and has absolutely nothing to do with your initial
assertion.
But that
notwithstanding, people
love to drag CHILDREN (which you even had to CAPITALIZE) into
an argument to sway emotion, and that carries no
weight with anyone who has even the faintest
ability to remain detached and unbiased. Although I
do find it interesting that you (by lone inclusion) draw the
distinction.
But since you brought it up, I've got news
for you. FAR more than 25,000 people die in this world
each day and the VAST majority of them are
NOT children. A child's life is no more precious
than an adult's -- even if it be that of a crack addict hooker
passed out in the gutter. (I'm sure that even Jesus
would agree with that.) The mere fact that you made it
about [making huge quote fingers] "CHILDREN" speaks
volumes. Such appeals to emotion only serve to weaken an
(already weak) argument.
You
wrote, "One would think that atheists would
be more caring. What with their gloriously open minds
and their far superior intelligence, I would think that they
would be the first to sell everything they own, buy a van and
a mattress, live in the van the rest of their life, and donate
all their profits to starving children. Afterall,
atheists have concluded that there is so much death in this
one and only life -- and they obviously don't have a bias - so
why don't we see all of them giving as selflessly as
possible?"
I'm
sorry, but this statement is just too
mind-numbingly stupid to warrant any
response beyond "grow up." You might as well have
said, "If you don't believe in god then why don't you just
kill yourself?" (Click here for my commentary on that
stunning piece of Christian logic which we've all heard
before.)
And just
for the record, atheists don't claim to be "superior
intellectually" to anyone else as you would love to
believe; we're just not prone to delusion. (Sorry,
but I don't feel the need to sugar-coat what I believe to be
true. I love all my god-loving friends immensely and
would do anything for them, but they're delusional in their
beliefs.)
One can be absolutely brilliant in many
respects (science, law, art, history, etc.) and completely
detached from reality in another. Edgar Allan Poe was a
brilliant writer, poet, and editor. He was also a
syphilitic alcoholic and delirious LUNATIC. There are
countless others to
cite.
And
shame on you for implying that atheists are not (or less)
caring than god-believers. I'm loath to boast of my
philanthropy and generosity, but I'll put my yearly
charitable contribution receipts up against those of any
Christian (with the same income, of course). You show me
yours and I'll show you mine.
I'll
stipulate that you have no conscious bias toward atheists, and
from the tenor of your voice it's clear that you're a
decent person who intends no malice. But the bottom line
is that you're just seeing what you want (need) to see to
satisfy and validate whatever preconceived notions you have of
people who reject and (let's not kid ourselves) laugh at your
beliefs. Your wording was very clear: "I'm more curious to see what excuse people will
make." Excuse? Listen to your words
and try a little introspection.
I see the point you
were trying to make, but it fell sorely short of
logic.
I'm an
atheist and I see beauty as well as suffering in this world,
and I accept BOTH as a fact of life. I help those in
need as much as anyone else. But even if I didn't, there
would be no hypocrisy or selfishness (as you have stated) at
all just by pointing out the beauty AND the suffering.
How you cannot see this quite frankly scares
me.
First, you'd think anyone
with half a brain would be smart enough to know that suicidal
people aren't just going to stumble upon your homegrown
website, but I suppose no act of conversion is too desperate
for some. And imagine the nerve to actually state just
below the offer to help you not kill yourself:
"Please,
if God so leads you, make a donation to help with this
site. I will used [sic] the money for the internet and
to upgrade the site to banner free."
You're about to kill
yourself and this Christian humanitarian wants to get a free
upgrade so the pop-up banners won't distress other suicidal
people? Okie dokie.
And don't you just love
his "we are not doctors"
disclaimer? Yeah, no shit.
But the most bizarre
aspect, by far, of this very strange person's website are the
ads for internet dating and low interest rates (and others)
that appear before the suicide help. Nice touch, don't
you think? In case you decide check it out yourself,
take note that the ads change each time you click "Welcome
and Please
Enter."