I couldn’t come up with a better title for this rant, but this guy is such a fucking imbecile that I had to go with it.
When Imbeciles Follow Imbeciles
I stumbled upon the following obnoxiously petulant Christian post on VenomFangX’s (now defunct) discussion board:
I am a Christian and saw some contradictions between atheist philosophy and atheist behavior. I was talking about religion with an atheist friend, and he commented that he wished religious people could see the beauty of this life. This life is so beautiful, he remarked, that we don’t need to seek after Heaven. At the same time, atheists also say things like, There’s so much suffering in the world, that there couldn’t possibly be a God. So which is it? Is this life beautiful or is it full of suffering? One would think that atheists would be more caring. What with their gloriously open minds and their far superior intelligence, I would think that they would be the first to sell everything they own, buy a van and a mattress, live in the van the rest of their life, and donate all their profits to starving children. Afterall, atheists have concluded that there is so much death in this one and only life – and they obviously don’t have a bias – so why don’t we see all of them giving as selflessly as possible?
Let me put this in perspective. Twenty-five thousand CHILDREN die each day. (Go to The Hunger Site and click daily for an easy way to give (no money needed).) Is it about this life, atheists? Or is it that you want to experience every level of pleasure without anyone to tell you otherwise? I think it’s the latter. To outside observers, it looks as if your views are selfish and hypocritical.
Are you going to just say that there’s nothing you can do about it – ignoring the obvious; that your wealth is very sufficient to feed many, many children? How much more if more than one contributes?
I guess in writing this post, I’m more curious to see what excuse people will make. My guess is you’re not going to change anything in your actions after reading this. Just know that when you say, “I’m open minded” your actions speak louder than your words.
Peace and God Bless!
P.S. Don’t think I have a bias toward atheists. This applies to all Christians (probably especially to Christians) as well. I just noticed something hypocritical in the atheist view the other day and I was hoping for some excuses [strikethrough] clarification. But I will write one on Christians soon.
When Atheists Respond to Imbeciles
Hey, Captain Contradiction, your question makes no logical sense: “So which is it?”
It’s both, you fucking moron. Life is beautiful and it is full of suffering. Every lucid person sees this, and we need not look very far. The two statements are NOT mutually exclusive. There can be an upside and a downside to anything. In fact, it’s rare that there aren’t.
One can see beauty in the world and not seek anything beyond it (e.g. Heaven, Valhalla, Elysium, Miami) and also point to all that is awful within it without any dichotomy between philosophy and behavior.
You can love that brand new pimped-out SUV, from its leather seats to its three screen DVD system, and still be pissed off that the eight cylinder gas-guzzling monster under the hood is breaking your wallet for the miserable 12 miles per gallon that it serves you daily. You can pay for and love the car and also hate the cost of ownership. Listen up, Lenny. That doesn’t make you a hypocrite. It might make you a whiner who made a dumb-ass auto purchase, but it doesn’t make you a hypocrite.
You wrote: “Let me put this in perspective. Twenty-five thousand CHILDREN die each day. (Go to The Hunger Site and click daily for an easy way to give (no money needed).) Is it about this life, atheists? Or is it that you want to experience every level of pleasure without anyone to tell you otherwise? I think it’s the latter. To outside observers, it looks as if your views are selfish and hypocritical.”
WTF? That makes no sense and has absolutely nothing to do with your initial assertion.
But that notwithstanding, people love to drag CHILDREN (which you even had to CAPITALIZE) into an argument to sway emotion, and that carries no weight with anyone who has even the faintest ability to remain detached and unbiased. Although I do find it interesting that you (by lone inclusion) draw the distinction.
But since you brought it up, I’ve got news for you. Far more than 25,000 people die in this world each day and the vast majority of them are not children.
A child’s life is no more precious than an adult’s – even if it be that of a crack addict hooker passed out in the gutter. (I’m sure that even Jesus would agree with that.) The mere fact that you made it about [making huge quote fingers] “CHILDREN” speaks volumes. Such appeals to emotion only serve to weaken an already weak argument.
You wrote, “One would think that atheists would be more caring. What with their gloriously open minds and their far superior intelligence, I would think that they would be the first to sell everything they own, buy a van and a mattress, live in the van the rest of their life, and donate all their profits to starving children. Afterall, atheists have concluded that there is so much death in this one and only life – and they obviously don’t have a bias – so why don’t we see all of them giving as selflessly as possible?”
I’m sorry, but this statement is just too mind-numbingly stupid to warrant any response beyond “grow up.” You might as well have said, “If you don’t believe in god then why don’t you just kill yourself?” (Click here for my commentary on that stunning piece of Christian logic which we’ve all heard before.)
And just for the record, atheists don’t claim to be “superior intellectually” to anyone else as you would love to believe; we’re just not prone to delusion. (Sorry, but I don’t feel the need to sugar-coat what I believe to be true. I love all my god-loving friends immensely and would do anything for them, but they’re delusional in their beliefs.)
One can be absolutely brilliant in many respects (science, law, art, history, etc.) and completely detached from reality in another. Edgar Allan Poe was a brilliant writer, poet, and editor. He was also a syphilitic alcoholic and delirious LUNATIC. There are countless others to cite.
And shame on you for implying that atheists are not (or less) caring than god-believers. I’m loath to boast of my philanthropy and generosity, but I’ll put my yearly charitable contribution receipts up against those of any Christian – with the same income, of course. You show me yours and I’ll show you mine.
I’ll stipulate that you have no conscious bias toward atheists, and from the tenor of your voice it’s clear that you’re a decent person who intends no malice. But the bottom line is that you’re just seeing what you want (or perhaps need) to see to satisfy and validate whatever preconceived notions you have of people who reject and (let’s not kid ourselves) laugh at your beliefs. Your wording was very clear: “I’m more curious to see what excuse people will make.” Excuse? Listen to your words and try a little introspection.
I see the point you were trying to make, but it fell sorely short of logic.
I’m an atheist and I see beauty as well as suffering in this world, and I accept both as a fact of life. I help those in need as much as anyone else. But even if I didn’t, there would be no hypocrisy or selfishness (as you have stated) at all just by pointing out the beauty and the suffering. How you cannot see this quite frankly scares me.
Semi-Related Note: VenomFangDouchebag is back on YouTube.