The Hypocrite’s Mantra

Once Saved, Always Saved (a.k.a. “eternal security”) is the cornerstone of Christian hypocrisy. This is how it works:

• We’re all sinners.
• We’re all deserving of hell, and that’s where we’ll all go unless we find a way out.
• We all get a way out by submitting to Jesus before we die.
• Once you take that way out you’re saved once and forever, even if you continue to sin.
• The unsaved will sin (as all flawed, fallible humans do) and go to hell.
• The saved will sin (as all flawed, fallible humans do) and go to heaven.

Now anyone with a brain knows that it’s shamefully embarrassing and disingenuous to believe such utter nonsense without a footnote disclaimer, so they argue (as this wank does) that “Critics of the ‘once saved, always saved’ doctrine claim that it gives Christians a license to sin…”

No, no, no. Not so quick, asshole. We make no such argument. Those are your words, not ours.

People like this idiot seem to think that if they make their sins appear passive (i.e. not having “license to sin”) that somehow their sins aren’t really willful but rather a byproduct of “having fallen short of the glory of god.” This, of course, is just another bullshit Christian rationalization.

License to sin? No, jackass. Not even close. What we say is that hypocrites like you claim to be one of god’s flawed, fallible, fallen creations and use it as a rationalization for your ongoing sins. And there’s a HUGE fucking difference between invoking “license” and “rationalizing.” Clearly you fall into the latter category. But nice try.

Your exact words are really quite clear: “The salvation in Christ is not temporary, it is eternal.”

You are exactly what we all behold: a sinning hypocrite, be your sins willful or not.

Now sit back and enjoy a few disgusting displays of textbook Christian hypocrisy. Watch how these Do-As-I-Say’ers play the Get Out of Jail Free Card when it suits their needs.

Whore!

Enjoy this Christian Prayers Forum exchange and watch how Tamara’s buddies in Christ reminder her that it’s okay to be a wanton libidinous whore as long as you’re solid with the savior. You see, she’s been saved so all that whoring is nothing to lose any sleep over…not that she was getting much sleep to begin with.

The self-protecting and insulating masses remind her that we should “love the sinner and hate the sin.” Mmmm. I love self-interest, don’t you?

Of course, we all know that the unsaved are DAMNED TO HELL FOR ETERNITY for the same transgression. So I suppose that being Jesus’ pal isn’t a bad idea if you want to whore around. Man, I really have to rethink my position on Christianity for this one. (I saved the entire exchange in PDF format in case the entire thread gets deleted.)

Getting Away With Murder

This next exchange was taken from a 4hurtingchristians.com chat room. The name says it all, doesn’t it? You just smell the pending hypocrisy and mind-numbingly stupid rationalizations coming down the pike.

Anyway, the site went defunct a few years ago, but I’ve replicated the exact exchange here.

You’ll find that the sinner in question is a CALCULATING COLD-BLOODED MURDERER! But of course we all know that she’ll be getting away with her crime because her good buddy Christ paid the price for her.

Posted: May 19, 2005 – 2:31 AM
Subject: forgive
i feel really guilty for having abortion father god forgive me please pray for my soul in jesus name

Posted: May 19, 2005 – 11:22 AM
:pray

Posted: May 19, 2005 – 2:43 PM
when we confess our sins he is faithful and just, and will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrightousness. my prayer for you: Lord Jesus, Heavenly father thankyou for taking lees sins for her. Thankyou Lord that you are bigger and more powerful than any sin we can commit and thankyou that nothing can separate us from the love of God, ever. Lord thankyou that lee is your child, that she is priceless, precious and beautiful in your eyes. Thankyou Lord that you have given Lee a heart that shines with your love and i thankyou Lord that as she hurts and grieves you are there. I pray that lee feels your amazing grace and love raining down on her today. I pray in Jesus name amen.

Posted: May 19, 2005 – 5:07 PM
thank you dove for not judging me or thinking that i am not worthy may god bless you and help you in jesus name

Posted: May 19, 2005 – 5:09 PM
:pray :pray :pray :pray

Posted: May 19, 2005 – 6:47 PM
I will lift you up in prayer as well Lee. :pray Father, Oh God, would You just please bless Lee and forgive all she has done wrong, Lord, for You know that we are not perfect Lord and that we all sin. Lord just assure her in her walk with You Lord that she will be comforted by You in all that she does Lord. I’m sure she’s a great person. Lord I thank You that she had the courage to step forward and realize she had done wrong Lord and that she’s asking for Your help as well as ours Lord. I just give this situation to You Lord, for thats all we can do. In Your name, Amen. :pray You did the right thing Lee, confessing that you had done wrong. May the Lord be with you in all that you do. All my love, Michelle

Posted: May 19, 2005 – 8:43 PM
Here goes, (Oh no, go put the kettle on) HEY, (laughs). Try and keep it short, be a miracle I know, First and I might be wrong, but going by a testimony once, I would strongly suggest that the unborn baby is with God anyway. I don’t say this to make light of the situation, but in saying that, come here, :hug Cry, cry, cry, but don’t look at me, makes me cry, Seriously not that I wasn’t being. Once again, I see no sin in you, no worse than anyone else. Look what Moses did, we forget that Saul, ST Paul delighted, well, maybe not delighted, but willingly went around killing Christians. Yet look what He went on to right. What matters is what is in your heart, what matters is where you are when Jesus returns. This is a tricky one, the once saved always saved. I as usual go to the Bible, like any issue, if we were not in fear of falling away, why does Paul bother to write those letters. Now one answer could be that if they fell away they would then lead others to in future. Well we see this today, but no I won’t go into that, cults, denominations, etc, living my rituals. I tell you the truth, God will love and accept you far more and you’ll enter heaven well ahead of anyone that claims to be doing alright. What is in your heart that counts, if you are born again, truly repented, accept Jesus, no worries. Because if we condemn you, we condemn ourselves. when I do what I do, I’m as guilty as you, or as innocent as you. Actually nothing we can do to be lost, (wow, LEE contradiction, err on the side of caution, take that back, shut your mouth, NOW.) IF, wait for it, if we repent. Does that give us a licence, no, because if we are genuine, we do what, strive to get close to God, what happens when we do this, receive and use His Holy Spirit more. Then what happens, the Spirit changes our lives, shapes our lives. As Joyce Meyer right said, “I don’t wanna rob the gas station, I don’t wanna do any of those things, because Christ lives in me.” “Sometimes I would like to smack somebody though (laughter) but the Bible doesn’t say thou shall not smack.” “You gonna get angry once in awhile, just get it taken care of real quick.” Lee, my namesake, we all do things, every day while driving I look at women, that’s it, committed adultery, that easy. Yet I worry more when that later can lead to my falling in my usual autosexuality. WHY is it I hold the doing worse than the thinking when in Matthew 5:27 Jesus said it is as bad, worse. Arr, yes but that I believe is a message for those not saved. Those children of Israel, gentiles that want to live according to the law, buy their way into heaven. Satan’s biggest con today in the Western world, helped by TV, is that we are good, got to be doing enough good to get to heaven. Jesus makes it clear, I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father accept by me. No you are no worse than the smoker, slowing distroying their lungs, me eating wrong foods, having evil dirty thoughts, playing with myself, so it goes on, gettting defensive, snapping back in that sensitiveness, which one would you like to throw the stone at me for. so finally, finally, the difference, we repent. WHY ARE YOU HERE, exactly, I boldly, God forgive if wrong, but I doubt it, declare that God has not only forgiven your Sin, but long forgotten it. Difference between us and the world, is you came, you are crying tears, hurting, (I’m holding you) :hug WHAT about the many that have had more than one abortion and to them it’s just business, getting on with life, same as those that have one night stand. Then catch something like HIV and go mad and get angry at God. HOW can there be a God, let’s me catch this. Well we reap what we sow. Oh I’m off, be here all night, sorry. But just take comfort, okay. I’m comfort myself, when I question what I’ve said, have doubts with this, if I’m wrong, in what i’ve said to you, Jesus is a lier and we are all going to hell. Think, if any other religion is right, we all go to hell, that’s one comfort, that makes me have great faith in Jesus, and the more I do, read, hear, the more that FAITH grows, AMEN.

I believe the word you’re searching for is: Anyway…

Getting Away With Murder

Let’s stick with the “once saved, always saved” mental masturbation bullshit for awhile longer and see where evangelical nutcase Kirk Cameron stands on the issue. Among other places, we find the answer on his Living Waters website FAQ.

In all fairness, Kirk does go into a fair amount of detail in his response. However, and this is undeniable, at the end of the day he makes it crystal clear: “I do believe in eternal security for a true convert.” Take note that this bet-hedging little weasel makes certain to throw in the word true (i.e. “true convert”) to cover his ass. This is just an extension of the classic “they’re not REAL Christians” retort when apologists are confronted by the evil that self-professed Christians do. But at any rate, according to Kirk, you are once saved, always saved. Always.

Now Kirk also seems to think that atheists are in rebellion against god as some sort of excuse to get away with sinning. He truly believes that non-believers reject god so that they can’t be held accountable for their actions. He said so here.

Okay, so atheists are sinners looking for an excuse, but Christians, with their sins paid in-full by the risen Jesus, get a hall pass to ensure their “eternal security” (i.e. always saved). They’ve got a “get out of jail free” card in their back pocket.

Let’s recap.

Kirk has made it crystal clear that he (and I, like everyone else) is a sinner. We’re all guilty.

I have never committed any act of murder, rape, molestation, grand larceny, or illegal drug distribution — just to name a few despicable acts. However, I have used god’s name in vain, lied, stolen, and committed adultery. (According to Kirk, merely looking at a woman with lust in one’s heart is an act of adultery .)

I don’t know any of this for a fact, but I’m willing to stipulate that Kirk has never committed any act of murder, rape, molestation, grand larceny, or illegal drug distribution. However, Kirk has used god’s name in vain, lied, stolen, and committed adultery.

Agreed. Kirk and I are both sinners, and I think it’s fair to assume that we’re about on a par, not that it matters. (And no, it doesn’t.) But according to Kirk (per the video you just watched) I want to get away with sinning and general evildoing. And denying god’s existence is the way I shirk accountability.

If this is all true, then I challenge Kirk to tell me just ONE thing that I’m “getting away with” that he’s not. Just one.

But every clear-thinking, intellectually honest person knows (if Kirk is right) that he is the one who’s really “getting away” with something:

Kirk = Sinner –> Heaven = Getting Away With Sinning

Godless Bastard = Sinner –> Hell <> Getting Away With Sinning

Think about it.